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GaryH wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:19 am I don't doubt that it's true. My thought was why is that the ONLY way to deliver new products in the US (or anywhere), esp smaller ones like add on cards. I know it's not that simple but getting products to market like this can't be great for generating sales and is so very slow. And mostly I am not a patient guy :-)
It's not about delivering products in the US, but rather to the US. It's the only way to ship products because it's all a matter of cost, simply stated. Just to give you an idea of the cost, ocean freight is sold by CBM (cubic meter) not weight and t's also sold by the container. A standard 48 x 48 pallet can hold a ton (literally) of weight, but it doesn't take up that much room physically. So, if the price is $2 USD per CMB you can see that paying 2 bucks per cubic meter is extremely cheap for shipping something like that. That's good for smaller sized shipments of high density.

Consoles and other packaged finished goods are not that dense (i.e. lots of air in the package) but still, ocean freight on a per-container basis is the only way to go. A standard 40' container costs a flat rate of $2,000 USD to ship from Asia to North America. How many consoles and expansion cards can you stuff into a 40' container? Lots! But, how many consoles could you ship via air freight for $2,000? Probably 2.

When I was sourcing an X32 to buy and ship to Taiwan, I ran across a Midas M32 on sale, right at the transition to the M32-Live version. The console was about 50% off the regular price. After I did the math, including the taxes and import fees, the shipping is what killed that transaction. The only available shipping method was air freight (unless I wanted a freight forwarder to handle it going ocean freight) but the math didn't line up no matter what. Ocean freight on a CBM basis was good, but the fixed costs are what they are. Fixed costs aren't a problem when you spread it over several pallets or a container. But for a single carton it doesn't make sense. At the end of the day it was actually cheaper for me to buy a landed X32 in Taiwan for $3,000 USD than to buy a 1/2 off M32 and ship it here.

Remember, this all applies to shipping from the manufacturer to the distributor. There is no routing from the manufacturer directly to the end customer. You cannot buy from the China factory directly.

All these manufacturers use ocean freight for cost analysis. Any time a product is shipped by any other method, it cuts into the profit. Sometimes, the cut is deep. Whenever you see one of those situations where the shipping costs more than the product, you are witnessing that in action.

One of my customers sometimes has a situation where he needs me to ship some of his products via air freight. Normally we ship several tons via ocean freight, 4 times/year. But if he has a customer order a large number of things and his stock is depleted, I send him some via DHL. He makes virtually no money on those transactions, but he does them simply to keep his customer. If he tells his customer that the parts are coming and will be available 60 days from now, the customer will source them from someone else. So he tells the customer he'll ship in less than a week, and I get a phone call in Taiwan. If his prices reflected air freight, no one would buy from him. Air freight is $/KM verses $/CBM. He loses his profit on those parts but keeps the customer.

We all do the same thing. We call/email various places and we buy from who has them in stock. But there is no motivation for any of those suppliers to have something shipped to them via air freight just so we can get it faster. Once they have it in their possession, we can pay air freight if we want. But we have no choice when it comes to having the manufacturer ship to the distributor.
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Thanks for the info! All makes sense....but as a consumer I still want mine yesterday :-) I'll get by.
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lol me too. In Taiwan, things are way more expensive than they should be because of shipping, duties and taxes. I paid $900 USD for an X-Dante card. A pair of Adam T8V studio monitors are about the same. There is a WING advertised for sale on a shopping app for $5,934 USD. These are not official dealers, they are people who have bought and imported this gear and are trying to make a profit. The few times I have gone back to the US I've always bought a few pieces of luggage while I was there, and filled them with stuff to take back to Taiwan.

OTOH, I bought some exercise equipment dirt cheap from the manufacturer. I have a semi-recumbent exercise bike and also a Johnson mulit-gym that I got for 40% of US retail. And, computer equipment is ridiculously cheap here. ASUS is made in Taiwan. I can get a custom-made system for about 60% to 70% of the US retail. So it works out in the end. Plus there is a ton of stuff here that simply isn't available in the US. But that is rapidly changing with internet sales.

Oh, and Taiwan is a whisky lover's paradise! Taiwan is one of the highest consumers of whisky in the world. To give you an idea, Glendronach 10 year is about $30 USD. I bought a bottle of Glendronah 16 year Platinum for about $40 bucks. All the big name whiskies are here and significantly cheaper than in the US. Even the blends are cheap. Teacher's Highland Cream is $11.20 USD for a 1L bottle. And the local stores have whiskies that I have only read about but never seen before. Even some little out-of-the-way whisky shop can have some unbelievable expressions available. Jura, 10 years, $27 USD. Due to proximity, many Japanese whiskies are available in Taiwan. When I'm mixing someone's record on my X32, I don't feel so bad about the $3,000 cost while I'm sipping Lagavulin 16 that I paid about 1/2 price for. :)
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Things are now so bad that shipping to the US involves booking in 3 metric ton allotments. I just sent 6MT to a US customer and it took 2 allotments, along a Bill of Lading and fixed costs for each. That effectively doubled my customers fixed costs which normally would be spread across the entire shipment. This is a total rip off that the shipping companies are now implementing, and it has to stop. If this is allowed to continue it will crash the world economy as prices for everything go up. My customer is very concerned because he gives his customers a guaranteed price for the year. so anything that raises his costs cuts into his profit.

I just ordered some new music gear that was in stock because (if you haven't already noticed) most things at the big distributors are out of stock. They won't be getting new stock for at least 90 to 120 days in most cases. Many distro companies are no longer publishing the estimated lead time to get a product back in stock. I've never seen anything like it before. Things like add-on cards and accessories are all but impossible to get. This was a powerful motivator for my recent equipment order. I was going to wait until the end of the year but I realized that by that time those items would probably be gone by then.
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I haven't ordered gear in a good minute. I got it in mind recently to get one of the X32 variants, read up and watched up on their features and how to use them, signed up here along the way, then went looking for one. The prices have shot up, and no one has them in stock any way. What I read is that U.S. trade tariffs on products made in China and shipping costs are the reasons for the price increases. I wonder if and when things might go back to normal.
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More than likely, it won't be going back to normal for some time. There is no motivation for the cartel to improve things when they are making so much money on the chaos.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/broken-s ... 05567.html
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MJKlein wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:35 am More than likely, it won't be going back to normal for some time. There is no motivation for the cartel to improve things when they are making so much money on the chaos.
It does seem that way. It also seems in the U.S. that this is part of an effort to persuade online shoppers to buy from select retailers based in the U.S. (big companies who have items in stock), else you might be experiencing too long shipping times for drop shipping due to clogged ports. In other words, buy only made in China through either U.S. brands (at higher cost) or/and U.S. retailers (at higher cost) so as not to bypass those big companies making money. Shipping companies are profiting, big companies are profiting, government is profiting. U.S. buyers are paying.
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[Edit] Here's another version of the article from above. This is getting plenty of attention:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/a ... portunity/

I ship about 9 MTs of parts to the US every 3 months. They are literally screwing my customers. For no good reason, all shipping companies have begun limited shipments to 3 MTs. I literally have to split all my shipments up to meet that limit. Also, what are the chances that what I need to ship can be exactly divided by 3 MTs? So my customers and I are always playing a game of "what can I live without for the next 3 months, until the next shipment?"

There is no way that we are ever going back to how it was. There is too much money being made, and we're dealing with a cartel that has more power than some countries.
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